Nextel stoops to a new low.....

[Eddie Haskel]

Just recieved this notice in the mail from them. Thought you all would want
to see this. I know....it's ONLY a dollar, fifty-five.
"Dear valued customer...
Beginning with your August invoice, Nextel will charge your account a
monthly "Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee" in the amount of $1.55 per
phone. The fee is not a tax nor is it government-imposed.
Nextel collects the Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee to offset it's costs
of developing and deploying programs mandated by the F.C.C. such as location
based Enhanced 911 services, telephone number pooling and local wireless
number portability. Nextel regularly reviews these program costs and adjusts
the fee as needed to manage those costs. The fee appears in the Taxes,Fees
and Assessments section of your invoice..."

Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time to
take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying you
for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile to
mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
I pay you $59.95 for 400 day minutes, 3000 N/W minutes and free LD along
with $15 for "data" service. My total bill is always about $90. I think I
can get this same service from Verizon for FAR less....Eddie

[Ralph E. Decker]

Consider yourself lucky...I have been paying this for over 1 year on both my
accounts....

I'll get my money's work in November when I ****-can Nextel and take my
number over to Tmobile.


> Just recieved this notice in the mail from them. Thought you all would want
> to see this. I know....it's ONLY a dollar, fifty-five.
> "Dear valued customer...
> Beginning with your August invoice, Nextel will charge your account a
> monthly "Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee" in the amount of $1.55 per
> phone. The fee is not a tax nor is it government-imposed.
> Nextel collects the Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee to offset it's costs
> of developing and deploying programs mandated by the F.C.C. such as location
> based Enhanced 911 services, telephone number pooling and local wireless
> number portability. Nextel regularly reviews these program costs and adjusts
> the fee as needed to manage those costs. The fee appears in the Taxes,Fees
> and Assessments section of your invoice..."
>
> Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time to
> take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying you
> for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile to
> mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> I pay you $59.95 for 400 day minutes, 3000 N/W minutes and free LD along
> with $15 for "data" service. My total bill is always about $90. I think I
> can get this same service from Verizon for FAR less....Eddie
>
>
>

[01dyna@cox.net]

A hush fell over the crowd when, "Eddie Haskel" >
stepped up to the podium and announced:

>Just recieved this notice in the mail from them. Thought you all would want
>to see this. I know....it's ONLY a dollar, fifty-five.
>"Dear valued customer...
>Beginning with your August invoice, Nextel will charge your account a
>monthly "Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee" in the amount of $1.55 per
>phone. The fee is not a tax nor is it government-imposed.
>Nextel collects the Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee to offset it's costs
>of developing and deploying programs mandated by the F.C.C. such as location
>based Enhanced 911 services, telephone number pooling and local wireless
>number portability. Nextel regularly reviews these program costs and adjusts
>the fee as needed to manage those costs. The fee appears in the Taxes,Fees
>and Assessments section of your invoice..."
>
>Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time to
>take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying you
>for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile to
>mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
>I pay you $59.95 for 400 day minutes, 3000 N/W minutes and free LD along
>with $15 for "data" service. My total bill is always about $90. I think I
>can get this same service from Verizon for FAR less....Eddie
>
>

got the same announcement in my AT&T bill.

[John Foster]

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:


> Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time to
> take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying you
> for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile to
> mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?

I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the government
mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees along to
you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the cost
goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.




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[Joshua Miller]

Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
"additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from them
my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons then
leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong reason.


"John Foster" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
>
>
> > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time
to
> > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying
you
> > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile
to
> > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
>
> I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the government
> mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees along to
> you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the cost
> goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
>
>
>
>
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[P Howard]

Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
user spends over 70.00.

--
Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


"Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
>:
> Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from them
> my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons then
> leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong reason.
>
>
> "John Foster" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time
> to
> > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying
> you
> > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile
> to
> > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> >
> > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the government
> > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees along to
> > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the cost
> > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>

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[Bid4Survival]

Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average nextel
user. You have to add it all up.

I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about 2000-2500
nights and weekend minutes a month.
If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me and
get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal i
think.


"P Howard" > wrote in message
...
> Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> user spends over 70.00.
>
> --
> Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
>
>
> "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> >:
> > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from
them
> > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons then
> > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
reason.
> >
> >
> > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's
time
> > to
> > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
paying
> > you
> > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with
mobile
> > to
> > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > >
> > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
government
> > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
along to
> > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the
cost
> > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Jared Robinson]

Your bragging because you talk on the phone way to much?

"Bid4Survival" > wrote in article
>:
> Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average nextel
> user. You have to add it all up.
>
> I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about 2000-2500
> nights and weekend minutes a month.
> If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me and
> get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal i
> think.
>
>
> "P Howard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> > user spends over 70.00.
> >
> > --
> > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> >
> >
> > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > >:
> > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from
> them
> > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons then
> > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> reason.
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's
> time
> > > to
> > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> paying
> > > you
> > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with
> mobile
> > > to
> > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > > >
> > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> government
> > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> along to
> > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the
> cost
> > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > News==----
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> >100,000
> > > Newsgroups
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> Encryption
> > > =---
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
>

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[Menards 3170]

I've got you beat... I average 7-8000 daytime, 3-4,000 nights and weekends,
and 1500 DC.... but then again, I don't have verizon, their coverage really
sucks around here.

"Bid4Survival" > wrote in message
...
> Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average
nextel
> user. You have to add it all up.
>
> I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about
2000-2500
> nights and weekend minutes a month.
> If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me
and
> get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal i
> think.
>
>
> "P Howard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> > user spends over 70.00.
> >
> > --
> > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> >
> >
> > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > >:
> > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from
> them
> > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons
then
> > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> reason.
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's
> time
> > > to
> > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> paying
> > > you
> > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with
> mobile
> > > to
> > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > > >
> > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> government
> > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> along to
> > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the
> cost
> > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet
> > > News==----
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> >100,000
> > > Newsgroups
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> Encryption
> > > =---
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
>
>

[Bid4Survival]

my friend pays over $100 a month to get the same thing, how am i bragging. I
know people that have the $199.99 unlimited everything plan and they use
over 4000 daytime minutes a month and about 1500 direct connect. What other
cellular provider can handle a customer like that????

"Jared Robinson" > wrote in message
...
> Your bragging because you talk on the phone way to much?
>
> "Bid4Survival" > wrote in article
> >:
> > Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> > average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average
nextel
> > user. You have to add it all up.
> >
> > I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> > I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about
2000-2500
> > nights and weekend minutes a month.
> > If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me
and
> > get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal
i
> > think.
> >
> >
> > "P Howard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than
Nextel.
> > > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average
Nextel
> > > user spends over 70.00.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > > >:
> > > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away
from
> > them
> > > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons
then
> > > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> > reason.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe
it's
> > time
> > > > to
> > > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> > paying
> > > > you
> > > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace
with
> > mobile
> > > > to
> > > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats
next?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> > government
> > > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> > along to
> > > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags
and
> > > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result
the
> > cost
> > > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure
Usenet
> > > > News==----
> > > > > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > >100,000
> > > > Newsgroups
> > > > > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via
> > Encryption
> > > > =---
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular
groups]
> >
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Roopinder Randhawa]

Verizon and Nextel have 2 distince groups of users.

Nextel is used mainly by: People who are in business, like couriers,
dispatchers of taxi's and places where you have to be in touch all the time
without paying a lot.
It is also very good for people who receive a lot of calls thanks to the
National Free Incoming.

It is not good becasue it is iDEN. Also the 800MHz has less bandwidth. So
very reliable service is a question. But if you are not in those kind of
services it does not matter. Also Nextel's service is very limited when
compared to Verizon and Sprint. AT&T's TDMA is available in a very large
geographoc area but paying and power users don't live in those remote areas.
Also in Nextel is very annoying "Please wait while we locate the Nextel
subscriber".

Verizon is for people who want reliable service. CDMA is theoretically able
to handel unlimited calls but a restriction has to be put as after a limit
is reached the calls are near to useless garble as CDMA is a data technology
to transport data and not voice in it's primary implementation. But the
restriction is very high for the 1900 MHz band, somewhere in the order of
25000. The 900 MHz has a lower cap. The 900 (850) MHz CDMA is as penetrating
as the 800 MHz Nextel as has the same amount of coverage. As CDMA evolves
into the 1xEV-DO and so forth the newer devices will promote very high
limits in voice calls as more and more voice packets are caried on the air.
The CDMA 450 MHz is very penetrating (I double if it will be ever
implementted in USA) even into forests where 800/900 MHz don't do that well
as the foliage absorbs it.
Verizon has a very powerful natinoal network and calls go thru nearly all
the time and works in dual band digital and analog(that part sucks). Also
the emmision of CDMA is very less as compared to iDEN/GSM thus is the SAR
(Specific Absorbtion Rate). But them Verizon is EXPENSIVE as hauling fiber
everywhere and state of the art telecom equipment cost$$$.

If you are in metro NYC during the time 9PM-10PM you will understand when
you call someone on T-mobile/Cingular to hear "All circuits are busy now.
Try call later". You don't even get to voice mail as the underlying network
is unable to handle calls.

Let me explain.

1. Lets us say you have number 917-xxx-yyyy
2. You have enabled call Forwarding when busy.

You get a call from Person A and have person B on hold. When person C calls
you your call is being forwarded to a number and the answering machine comes
on. This time person D also calls you. He should hit the voice mail. So
practically the system is responding to 4 calls for the same user.

With Verizon this happens. Try this with other providers and post the
results here.

Coming back to the main discussion:

Nextel is for user who wants to use the phone as a primary communications
tools and uses a lot of peak/daytime minutes (range of 3000, which is
considersed as landline replacement)especially incoming, but does not travel
a lot into shady coverage areas.

Verizon is for those who want top notch service and are willing to pay for
it "thru their nose" and do not want to use more than 700-900 daytime
minutes in any given month.

IF YOU CAN AFFORD BOTH, buy a Nextel with Free incoming and Verizon with 400
minute plan. Forward on Nextel "if unavailable" to your Verizon. That way
you are very well covered.

[P Howard]

If all Nextel customers are receiving such high value for their
services, then why does their average customer spend over 20.00 more per
month than the average verizon wireless customer?

--
Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user


"Bid4Survival" > wrote in article
>:
> Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average nextel
> user. You have to add it all up.
>
> I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about 2000-2500
> nights and weekend minutes a month.
> If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me and
> get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal i
> think.
>
>
> "P Howard" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> > user spends over 70.00.
> >
> > --
> > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> >
> >
> > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > >:
> > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from
> them
> > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons then
> > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> reason.
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's
> time
> > > to
> > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> paying
> > > you
> > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with
> mobile
> > > to
> > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > > >
> > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> government
> > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> along to
> > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the
> cost
> > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet
> > > News==----
> > > > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> >100,000
> > > Newsgroups
> > > > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via
> Encryption
> > > =---
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
>

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Jared Robinson]

Talking on the phone that much you'd think you would want a descent
looking phone.

"Menards 3170" > wrote in
article ink.net>:
> I use about 30,000 daytime minutes a month, 7000 DC (4000 nationwide),
> 16,000 N&W minutes, and all i pay is $199/month. Who can beat that?? I mean
> 53,000 minutes a month for $200. Thats only .004 cents/min. Gotta be cheaper
> than verizon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bid4Survival" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> > average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average
> nextel
> > user. You have to add it all up.
> >
> > I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> > I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about
> 2000-2500
> > nights and weekend minutes a month.
> > If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me
> and
> > get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal i
> > think.
> >
> >
> > "P Howard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> > > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> > > user spends over 70.00.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > > >:
> > > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from
> > them
> > > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons
> then
> > > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> > reason.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's
> > time
> > > > to
> > > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> > paying
> > > > you
> > > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with
> > mobile
> > > > to
> > > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> > government
> > > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> > along to
> > > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the
> > cost
> > > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet
> > > > News==----
> > > > > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > >100,000
> > > > Newsgroups
> > > > > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via
> > Encryption
> > > > =---
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Roopinder Randhawa]

30000 a month is minutes is BULL****.

You do the math.

You say you use 30000*12 = 360000 daytime minutes/year



There are 52 weeks. Available daytime minutes are 6AM to 9PM = 15 hours a
day for 5 days a week



15*60*52*5=234000 (if your phone is on all the timke during these 15 hours)



But you would need 80 weeks to use 360,000 minutes. Are you living in the
REAL WORLD.

[George Blanas]

$1.55 from 10 million subscribers totals $15,500,000 per month! A nice
little way to give your profit margin a big lift. They all do it
though, all the little hidden fees that their neurotic finance people
can come up with. I'm wondering if you can cancel without penalty
because of something like this?

--
Cut the cord, go wireless!


"Eddie Haskel" > wrote in article
>:
> Just recieved this notice in the mail from them. Thought you all would want
> to see this. I know....it's ONLY a dollar, fifty-five.
> "Dear valued customer...
> Beginning with your August invoice, Nextel will charge your account a
> monthly "Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee" in the amount of $1.55 per
> phone. The fee is not a tax nor is it government-imposed.
> Nextel collects the Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee to offset it's costs
> of developing and deploying programs mandated by the F.C.C. such as location
> based Enhanced 911 services, telephone number pooling and local wireless
> number portability. Nextel regularly reviews these program costs and adjusts
> the fee as needed to manage those costs. The fee appears in the Taxes,Fees
> and Assessments section of your invoice..."
>
> Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time to
> take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying you
> for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile to
> mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> I pay you $59.95 for 400 day minutes, 3000 N/W minutes and free LD along
> with $15 for "data" service. My total bill is always about $90. I think I
> can get this same service from Verizon for FAR less....Eddie
>
>
>

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Al Bundy]

Geez the **** keeps getting deeper in here I guess that smallmouth bass you
caught last week weighed 90lbs and was 6 feet long.
Al


"Menards 3170" > wrote in message
arthlink.net...
> I use about 30,000 daytime minutes a month, 7000 DC (4000 nationwide),
> 16,000 N&W minutes, and all i pay is $199/month. Who can beat that?? I
mean
> 53,000 minutes a month for $200. Thats only .004 cents/min. Gotta be
cheaper
> than verizon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bid4Survival" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> > average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average
> nextel
> > user. You have to add it all up.
> >
> > I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> > I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about
> 2000-2500
> > nights and weekend minutes a month.
> > If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me
> and
> > get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal
i
> > think.
> >
> >
> > "P Howard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than
Nextel.
> > > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average
Nextel
> > > user spends over 70.00.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > > >:
> > > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away
from
> > them
> > > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons
> then
> > > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> > reason.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe
it's
> > time
> > > > to
> > > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> > paying
> > > > you
> > > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace
with
> > mobile
> > > > to
> > > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats
next?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> > government
> > > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> > along to
> > > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags
and
> > > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result
the
> > cost
> > > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure
Usenet
> > > > News==----
> > > > > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > >100,000
> > > > Newsgroups
> > > > > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via
> > Encryption
> > > > =---
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular
groups]
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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[Menards 3170]

Ok, first off the other guy who works here posted this message and he was
exagerating a lot... he uses about the same as me 7-8,000 a month... The
point is, if you were actually dumb enough not to realize he was not
serious, you have problems dude... You even done all the math to figure out
how many minutes were in a day and things... I'm so proud of you, but
seriously dude, you need to see a shrink.

Oh, and as for the "living in the real world" thing. It must be nice to be
in your little box where work is limited to definite days and times, but we
are on call 24/7. And on the phone about 1/4 of that time. We get one day
off a month and one week a year. Difference is, we're be retired when we are
40, you will be working till you're 90, and retire one day before you die.

Anyhow, really do see a shrink dude, you have some really big problems.....


"Roopinder Randhawa" > wrote in message
...
> 30000 a month is minutes is BULL****.
>
> You do the math.
>
> You say you use 30000*12 = 360000 daytime minutes/year
>
>
>
> There are 52 weeks. Available daytime minutes are 6AM to 9PM = 15 hours a
> day for 5 days a week
>
>
>
> 15*60*52*5=234000 (if your phone is on all the timke during these 15
hours)
>
>
>
> But you would need 80 weeks to use 360,000 minutes. Are you living in the
> REAL WORLD.
>
>
>

[John Eckart]

Mostly everything you're saying here is false. Your attempt to mix some =
facts with allot of fiction is unsuccessful.

"Roopinder Randhawa" > wrote in message =
...
> Verizon and Nextel have 2 distince groups of users.
>=20
> Nextel is used mainly by: People who are in business, like couriers,
> dispatchers of taxi's and places where you have to be in touch all the =
time
> without paying a lot.
> It is also very good for people who receive a lot of calls thanks to =
the
> National Free Incoming.
>=20
> It is not good becasue it is iDEN. Also the 800MHz has less bandwidth. =
So
> very reliable service is a question. But if you are not in those kind =
of
> services it does not matter. Also Nextel's service is very limited =
when
> compared to Verizon and Sprint. AT&T's TDMA is available in a very =
large
> geographoc area but paying and power users don't live in those remote =
areas.
> Also in Nextel is very annoying "Please wait while we locate the =
Nextel
> subscriber".
>=20
> Verizon is for people who want reliable service. CDMA is theoretically =
able
> to handel unlimited calls but a restriction has to be put as after a =
limit
> is reached the calls are near to useless garble as CDMA is a data =
technology
> to transport data and not voice in it's primary implementation. But =
the
> restriction is very high for the 1900 MHz band, somewhere in the order =
of
> 25000. The 900 MHz has a lower cap. The 900 (850) MHz CDMA is as =
penetrating
> as the 800 MHz Nextel as has the same amount of coverage. As CDMA =
evolves
> into the 1xEV-DO and so forth the newer devices will promote very high
> limits in voice calls as more and more voice packets are caried on the =
air.
> The CDMA 450 MHz is very penetrating (I double if it will be ever
> implementted in USA) even into forests where 800/900 MHz don't do that =
well
> as the foliage absorbs it.
> Verizon has a very powerful natinoal network and calls go thru nearly =
all
> the time and works in dual band digital and analog(that part sucks). =
Also
> the emmision of CDMA is very less as compared to iDEN/GSM thus is the =
SAR
> (Specific Absorbtion Rate). But them Verizon is EXPENSIVE as hauling =
fiber
> everywhere and state of the art telecom equipment cost$$$.
>=20
> If you are in metro NYC during the time 9PM-10PM you will understand =
when
> you call someone on T-mobile/Cingular to hear "All circuits are busy =
now.
> Try call later". You don't even get to voice mail as the underlying =
network
> is unable to handle calls.
>=20
> Let me explain.
>=20
> 1. Lets us say you have number 917-xxx-yyyy
> 2. You have enabled call Forwarding when busy.
>=20
> You get a call from Person A and have person B on hold. When person C =
calls
> you your call is being forwarded to a number and the answering machine =
comes
> on. This time person D also calls you. He should hit the voice mail. =
So
> practically the system is responding to 4 calls for the same user.
>=20
> With Verizon this happens. Try this with other providers and post the
> results here.
>=20
> Coming back to the main discussion:
>=20
> Nextel is for user who wants to use the phone as a primary =
communications
> tools and uses a lot of peak/daytime minutes (range of 3000, which is
> considersed as landline replacement)especially incoming, but does not =
travel
> a lot into shady coverage areas.
>=20
> Verizon is for those who want top notch service and are willing to pay =
for
> it "thru their nose" and do not want to use more than 700-900 daytime
> minutes in any given month.
>=20
> IF YOU CAN AFFORD BOTH, buy a Nextel with Free incoming and Verizon =
with 400
> minute plan. Forward on Nextel "if unavailable" to your Verizon. That =
way
> you are very well covered.
>=20
>

[Roopinder Randhawa]

Wow that must have hurt to read......
The person who spends 1/4 of a day on phone is working too hard. I have
never seen a hardworker retire that early :))))
Happy dreaming :) And my shrink advises you the same

[Roopinder Randhawa]

Please put me correct.
I'd appreciate that.

[rd]

Hey,
He may or may not retire early... but I bet he can buy your wife and your
momma and get they to lick each other, so get off his back ******...


"Roopinder Randhawa" > wrote in message
...
> Wow that must have hurt to read......
> The person who spends 1/4 of a day on phone is working too hard. I have
> never seen a hardworker retire that early :))))
> Happy dreaming :) And my shrink advises you the same
>
>

[Mark & Mary Ann Weiss]

"P Howard" > wrote in message
...
> Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> user spends over 70.00.


My Nextel bill is only $49.18 per phone. Pretty competitive.

What's not competive is that Nextel is the only provider with a seamless
signal throughout most of my state.

I know. I've tried 3 other providers before settling on Nextel.


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[Jared Robinson]

I'm not sure Nextel has better coverage than T-Mobile. Anyway if your
leaving Nextel because of the 1.55 then it's a waste of time. Every
carrier is charging about the same for E911 and LNP and Verizon will
fall in line in November.

(cell play) wrote in article
>:
> why would you do that? Go from poor coverage to no coverage. Good
> move!!
>
> "Ralph E. Decker" > wrote in article
> >:
> > Consider yourself lucky...I have been paying this for over 1 year on both my
> > accounts....
> >
> > I'll get my money's work in November when I ****-can Nextel and take my
> > number over to Tmobile.
> >
> >
> > > Just recieved this notice in the mail from them. Thought you all would want
> > > to see this. I know....it's ONLY a dollar, fifty-five.
> > > "Dear valued customer...
> > > Beginning with your August invoice, Nextel will charge your account a
> > > monthly "Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee" in the amount of $1.55 per
> > > phone. The fee is not a tax nor is it government-imposed.
> > > Nextel collects the Federal Programs Cost Recovery Fee to offset it's costs
> > > of developing and deploying programs mandated by the F.C.C. such as location
> > > based Enhanced 911 services, telephone number pooling and local wireless
> > > number portability. Nextel regularly reviews these program costs and adjusts
> > > the fee as needed to manage those costs. The fee appears in the Taxes,Fees
> > > and Assessments section of your invoice..."
> > >
> > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's time to
> > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm paying you
> > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with mobile to
> > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > > I pay you $59.95 for 400 day minutes, 3000 N/W minutes and free LD along
> > > with $15 for "data" service. My total bill is always about $90. I think I
> > > can get this same service from Verizon for FAR less....Eddie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Male Bomb]

Hmmm, lets see 53000 minutes is 883 hours , 24 hours a day times 31
days is 744 hours, what am I missing here? MB

"Menards 3170" > wrote in
article ink.net>:
> I use about 30,000 daytime minutes a month, 7000 DC (4000 nationwide),
> 16,000 N&W minutes, and all i pay is $199/month. Who can beat that?? I mean
> 53,000 minutes a month for $200. Thats only .004 cents/min. Gotta be cheaper
> than verizon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bid4Survival" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> > average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average
> nextel
> > user. You have to add it all up.
> >
> > I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> > I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about
> 2000-2500
> > nights and weekend minutes a month.
> > If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me
> and
> > get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal i
> > think.
> >
> >
> > "P Howard" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> > > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> > > user spends over 70.00.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > > >:
> > > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from
> > them
> > > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons
> then
> > > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> > reason.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's
> > time
> > > > to
> > > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> > paying
> > > > you
> > > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with
> > mobile
> > > > to
> > > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> > government
> > > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> > along to
> > > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the
> > cost
> > > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet
> > > > News==----
> > > > > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > >100,000
> > > > Newsgroups
> > > > > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via
> > Encryption
> > > > =---
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

[Jason Lowe]

att has no radio, but they are only 99 a month...so thats cheaper for
unlimited anytime.

(Male Bomb) wrote in article
>:
> Hmmm, lets see 53000 minutes is 883 hours , 24 hours a day times 31
> days is 744 hours, what am I missing here? MB
>
> "Menards 3170" > wrote in
> article ink.net>:
> > I use about 30,000 daytime minutes a month, 7000 DC (4000 nationwide),
> > 16,000 N&W minutes, and all i pay is $199/month. Who can beat that?? I mean
> > 53,000 minutes a month for $200. Thats only .004 cents/min. Gotta be cheaper
> > than verizon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bid4Survival" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Average verizon user can't afford nextel or have credit for nextel, and
> > > average verizon user uses alot less daytime minutes than the average
> > nextel
> > > user. You have to add it all up.
> > >
> > > I use about 700-1100 daytime a month and i have 1400 available.
> > > I used about 800+ direct connect (mobile2mobile) a month and about
> > 2000-2500
> > > nights and weekend minutes a month.
> > > If any verizon users are reading this, tell me if you talk as much as me
> > and
> > > get premium web for $64.99 or $73.50 after taxes. Nextel has a good deal i
> > > think.
> > >
> > >
> > > "P Howard" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Nonetheless, Verizon Wireless is still considerably cheaper than Nextel.
> > > > The average VZW user spends 48.00 per month whereas the average Nextel
> > > > user spends over 70.00.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Verizon customer/ formerly Cingular user/ formerly Sprint PCS user
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joshua Miller" > wrote in article
> > > > >:
> > > > > Standard it is. Eddie, All carriers impost the Fee to impliment the
> > > > > "additional" FCC mandated services. You're not going to get away from
> > > them
> > > > > my switching carriers. If you don't like Nextel for other reasons
> > then
> > > > > leave, but if this is the only reason, you're leaving for the wrong
> > > reason.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "John Foster" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:58:17 +0000, Eddie Haskel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Makes you just want to puke! Thanks for nothing Nextel! maybe it's
> > > time
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > take Verizon up on one of their cheap plans for HALF of what I'm
> > > paying
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > for the same service plus Direct Connect(which I can replace with
> > > mobile
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > mobile service). I know..I know...it's ONLY $1.55 but whats next?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hate to tell you, but this is standard everywhere. When the
> > > government
> > > > > > mandates something the service provider is going to pass the fees
> > > along to
> > > > > > you. Have you ever wondered why cars are so expensive? Airbags and
> > > > > > Anti-Lock Brakes are required by the government and as a result the
> > > cost
> > > > > > goes up. Instead of bitching about Nextel, go bitch about your
> > > > > > congressmen and the President for jacking taxes and federal fees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet
> > > > > News==----
> > > > > > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > > >100,000
> > > > > Newsgroups
> > > > > > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via
> > > Encryption
> > > > > =---
> > > > >
> > > > >
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[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]